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		<title>By: Brian Swetland</title>
		<link>http://jan.wildeboer.net/2010/02/wrt-fosdem-beer-event/comment-page-1/#comment-820</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Swetland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 05:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m confused about this &quot;[are] they are willing to upstream their changes&quot; point.  Of course we are!  We&#039;d love to get our code upstream.

If the upstream response is &quot;we don&#039;t want that, throw it out and use this other thing&quot; (which it is in some cases), we might not just jump at doing that, especially if it requires a huge effort across the entire Android stack to replace something that already works great for us with something somebody else would prefer we use instead.  

We&#039;ve got a lot of work to do and devices to ship and a very small team to do this all with.  If mainline says &quot;your code sucks, we don&#039;t want it&quot;, that&#039;s certainly their right, but I then am puzzled about how we become the bad guys here.  We&#039;re not refusing to give anybody the code.  It&#039;s freely available under GPLv2.  

We have no illusion that things can get upstream without some change and some compromise, but from my perspective this has to be a two way street.  If nobody wants to even attempt to meet us halfway, we&#039;re looking at far far more work to rewrite code that mainline doesn&#039;t like than to just keep rebasing our patchsets every other kernel version or so (as we have been since 2.6.14).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused about this &#8220;[are] they are willing to upstream their changes&#8221; point.  Of course we are!  We&#8217;d love to get our code upstream.</p>
<p>If the upstream response is &#8220;we don&#8217;t want that, throw it out and use this other thing&#8221; (which it is in some cases), we might not just jump at doing that, especially if it requires a huge effort across the entire Android stack to replace something that already works great for us with something somebody else would prefer we use instead.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve got a lot of work to do and devices to ship and a very small team to do this all with.  If mainline says &#8220;your code sucks, we don&#8217;t want it&#8221;, that&#8217;s certainly their right, but I then am puzzled about how we become the bad guys here.  We&#8217;re not refusing to give anybody the code.  It&#8217;s freely available under GPLv2.  </p>
<p>We have no illusion that things can get upstream without some change and some compromise, but from my perspective this has to be a two way street.  If nobody wants to even attempt to meet us halfway, we&#8217;re looking at far far more work to rewrite code that mainline doesn&#8217;t like than to just keep rebasing our patchsets every other kernel version or so (as we have been since 2.6.14).</p>
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		<title>By: Identi.ca Updates for 2010-02-04 &#171; FU-BAR</title>
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		<dc:creator>Identi.ca Updates for 2010-02-04 &#171; FU-BAR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] but with food for thought rt @jwildeboer: New blog post: WRT FOSDEM Beer Event http://jan.wildeboer.net/2010/02/wrt-fosdem-beer-event/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] but with food for thought rt @jwildeboer: New blog post: WRT FOSDEM Beer Event <a href="http://jan.wildeboer.net/2010/02/wrt-fosdem-beer-event/" rel="nofollow">http://jan.wildeboer.net/2010/02/wrt-fosdem-beer-event/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Links 4/2/2010: Scientific Linux Reviewed, Google Tablets &#124; Boycott Novell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links 4/2/2010: Scientific Linux Reviewed, Google Tablets &#124; Boycott Novell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 04:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] WRT FOSDEM Beer Event FOSDEM is about having fun *and* exchanging opinions. We should have both. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] WRT FOSDEM Beer Event FOSDEM is about having fun *and* exchanging opinions. We should have both. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: uberVU - social comments</title>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by jwildeboer: New blog post: WRT FOSDEM Beer Event http://jan.wildeboer.net/2010/02/wrt-fosdem-beer-event/...</description>
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<p>This post was mentioned on Twitter by jwildeboer: New blog post: WRT FOSDEM Beer Event <a href="http://jan.wildeboer.net/2010/02/wrt-fosdem-beer-event/.." rel="nofollow">http://jan.wildeboer.net/2010/02/wrt-fosdem-beer-event/..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: jwildeboer</title>
		<link>http://jan.wildeboer.net/2010/02/wrt-fosdem-beer-event/comment-page-1/#comment-799</link>
		<dc:creator>jwildeboer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ade I come to the beer event for a fun evening. So just chatting and having good civilised conversation is absolutely required ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ade I come to the beer event for a fun evening. So just chatting and having good civilised conversation is absolutely required <img src='http://jan.wildeboer.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the flaming required or are we welcome to just come up and have a chat ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the flaming required or are we welcome to just come up and have a chat <img src='http://jan.wildeboer.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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